Post by philmaynard on Jun 18, 2014 14:54:08 GMT -5
Does anyone know of a hot time? I have an unverified report of 2:23:36 car to car from the Loj, which I have no reason to doubt, but doesn't seem likely to be the true fastest time. It should go sub-2 for a fast runner who knows the route well. I meet one of those qualifications, but unfortunately it's the latter.
Specs are roughly 12 miles and 2800' of gain and loss, with most of that gain in one 30-40 degree scramble up Colden in the Dike, then on the slide. It's a bit of a stretch for an FKT route in terms of prominence and length, but the aesthetics of the route are amazing.
Last Edit: Jun 18, 2014 17:19:57 GMT -5 by Peter Bakwin: edited to clarify location
Post by philmaynard on Jul 1, 2014 14:28:24 GMT -5
I haven't done it for speed yet. The only time I've done it in the summer was pre-Irene, and I went down the Lake Arnold slide on the SE side of Colden. If running it quickly, the most logical route is the normal hiking trail back down to Lake Arnold, then to the Dam and out to the Loj.
I will be attempting a hot time the weekend of July 18-20, but 2:23 is going to be tough for a mid-pack runner such as myself. I'm hoping to cheat a little bit by swimming Avalanche Lake instead of hiking around it.
You (or anyone else) is welcome to join me on the attempt. Given how much faster you were than me at the GATR, you could use that as a training run for a proper record attempt. If I remember correctly, you were the other guy that had splits on his arm, which we discussed for a minute after the race, right?
Post by philmaynard on Jul 21, 2014 9:19:02 GMT -5
Here's my data. Note that this shows 2:19, but that is incorrect. My time was 2:38 or so. I had "auto-pause" turned on in the app, and it appears to have been stopping the clock as I slowed to negotiate the dike itself, so it makes it look like I climbed the dike 20 minutes quicker than I really did. I also fumbled my watch and had it stopped for about 6 minuted on top of the mountain, so I had to adjust for that later, based on my start time. I'm glad it wasn't a killer time, because I'd have no good data to back it up!
In any case, I don't have an FKT claim, but I figured I'd post this to give beta and rabbit splits for anyone considering an attempt. I coasted pretty easy from Lake Arnold down, after I realized I wasn't going to be under 2:23, so you can expect to beat those splits pretty handily. Note that I swam the lake, which may or may not have saved me time, but did rest my legs. The GPS had a lot of trouble following me as I swam along, hugging the cliff.
Gave it a go today on Phil's recommendation. I too have done the Trap Dike a lot, but mostly in winter and never for a fast time. It's a great FKT route: a local test piece that's strikingly beautiful and unique, with one logical route. I started at the "Old Marcy Dam Trail," by the ADK Loj campground, as opposed to the new trail that leaves from the Loj parking lot.
My time was 2:07:19.
Splits: Register to Marcy Dam - 16:20 Dike Approach Trail - 28:36 (44:56) Colden Summit - 29:40 (1:14:36) Marcy Dam - 37:57 (1:52:33) Trail Register - 14:46 (2:07:19)
Post by philmaynard on Aug 13, 2014 13:17:36 GMT -5
Good work, Jan!
It looks like from the lake edge to the base of the dike was about 9 minutes for both of us. Seeing how much faster you were on the rest of the route, I'd say the swim saves a bit of time. I'm a very slow swimmer (2min/100m... that's the 10min/mile pace of the swimming world), so there's even more time for a good swimmer.
Post by philmaynard on Sept 19, 2014 19:21:26 GMT -5
I haven't heard of one. It would depends a lot on conditions - in a really fat spring, a good skier could rip into the pass, crampon up to the summit with a single axe (or Whippet), and then ski the dike, hucking the waterfalls. Skiing down along the summer FKT route would be pretty fast as well, but you'd have to hike for a while until you could put skis on.
I did it in traditional style, belaying many pitches and snowshoeing out in 6.5 hours. That was no FKT attempt, just a reference for a climbing party that moves quickly.