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Post by Steve P. on Dec 12, 2013 17:15:11 GMT -5
I have seen this definition on this site... Unsupported means you have no external support of any kind. Typically, this means that you must carry all your supplies right from the start, except any water that can be obtained along the way from natural sources. This approach has also been termed "alpine style". The longest trip I'm aware of using this style is Coup's 20-day thru-hike of the Colorado Trail. For most people, carrying enough food for more than a few days to one week will be prohibitive. Unsupported also means unaccompanied!So, by that definition, would a team of two attempting a FKT "alpine style" (no resupply other than water enroute) have to be considered "Self-Supported" or "Supported"? Or does "unaccompanied" mean not using a pacer or mule? I seem to see some references to team "Unsupported" records like the one below..... Apr 20, 2011 9:48:10 GMT -5 Peter Bakwin said:
I had a report that Krissy & Devon ran the R2R2R yesterday (4/19/11) in 9h12m, for a new female FKT. Hopefully they will report details.Sorry to pick the nits, but I'm just trying to understand  |
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Post by Peter Bakwin on Dec 15, 2013 16:50:17 GMT -5
I would call that an unsupported team effort. I.e., the team was unpaced.
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Post by cbassett on Nov 14, 2016 14:54:47 GMT -5
Peter, Will you please clarify something for me? From, docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxqZWZmc3RyYWlscm91dGVzfGd4OjRkNGZjNjFiYTZhNjEyYWY : 7/2716: “This is highly controversial. Some people say no. Some people say it’s a different category than solo. I say it’s fine & that sared gear is fine AS LONG AS BOTH FINISH.” When you say, 'it's fine', what is fine? I'm beginning to plan a FKT attempt next year. The plan is two runners, one male one female. Each runner will carry their own gear and supplies, not relying on the other runner. The plan is that the runners will start and finish together. There's currently no Unsupported woman FKT. Would the trip as I outlined above qualify as establishing the Unsupported Woman's FKT, or would that be considered an Unsupported Team attempt? |
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Post by Peter Bakwin on Nov 14, 2016 17:41:00 GMT -5
In my opinion, a female FKT done in that style should be considered "unsupported, accompanied". Just be clear about what you do. To me it's pointless and arbitrary to go with someone but not share gear. Plus, obviously that would be impossible to verify. So, whether you share gear or not, share route finding or not, whatever, it's still "unsupported, accompanied" if you go together.
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Post by cbassett on Nov 14, 2016 20:27:31 GMT -5
Thank you, Peter. Hadn't hear of "Unsupported, accompanied".
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Post by Peter Bakwin on Nov 14, 2016 23:17:38 GMT -5
As I've said, going as a team "unsupported" is controversial, especially a mixed gender team. PB
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Post by Doug on Apr 10, 2017 10:10:23 GMT -5
As I've said, going as a team "unsupported" is controversial, especially a mixed gender team. PB What kind of support does mixing genders create that same genders wouldn't? |
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Post by Peter Bakwin on Apr 10, 2017 19:47:08 GMT -5
As I've said, going as a team "unsupported" is controversial, especially a mixed gender team. PB What kind of support does mixing genders create that same genders wouldn't? The female could be considered paced. |
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Post by mattmattyo on Jun 21, 2017 17:37:15 GMT -5
Does An Unsupported FKT attempt need to be a solo endeavor? Can two people make the attempt together as long as they don't share supplies, water, etc.? Or is two people running/hiking together considered "support"?
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Post by Peter Bakwin on Jun 21, 2017 18:35:12 GMT -5
Does An Unsupported FKT attempt need to be a solo endeavor? Can two people make the attempt together as long as they don't share supplies, water, etc.? Or is two people running/hiking together considered "support"? Read the thread above. It's controversial. |
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Post by Gender X on Jun 28, 2017 13:32:39 GMT -5
What kind of support does mixing genders create that same genders wouldn't? The female could be considered paced. [ Or, the male could be considered paced. |
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Post by Simon Duke on Jan 5, 2018 17:05:07 GMT -5
In April this year, myself and about 4 friends will attempt an FKT for a trail in the Australian desert 234kms long. We have agreed to all go at our own pace (but might be walking in pairs or threes at times), we will carry all our food (not using any food drops), and all of our own supplies individually as we expect to be alone most of the time. Regarding water, there are already water tanks every 14-20kms for hikers which we plan on filling our water up from. I had considered that this would be an 'unsupported 'team' or 'unsupported accompanied' attempt. Do people on this forum agree?...I did see a reference above that talked about unsupported only using natural water sources....so if we use the rain water tanks does this constitute 'supported'?
Related to this if we did run/hike totally separately without travelling together (just occasional overtaking etc), would this potentially be classified as 'unsupported'....or does the fact that there is more than one person attempting it automatically put this attempt in the 'accompanied' or 'team' category.
Last one. It is very likely only one or two of the people who start will finish as none of us are pros at this stuff. Would this be a good reason to not call it a 'unsupported team' attempt as it is unlikely we will all finish as a team.
Thoughts, comments, clarification etc appreciated.
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Post by Peter Bakwin on Jan 6, 2018 8:24:09 GMT -5
It’s a gray area. The important thing is to be clear about what you do. As far as rain water tanks, it seems to me this qualifies as “natural”, as would, for example, a spring that has been allowed to collect in a tank.
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