Presidential Traverse (NH) « Thread Started on Nov 4, 2009, 6:17pm »
Ryan Welts set the FKT on Sept. 5, 2009, 5h7m44s. NEW: Jan Welford has set a new FKT of 4h59m37s on 29 August 2010 (see below). NEWER: Ryan Welts has regained the FKT on July 2, 2011, 4h56m14s (see below). EVEN NEWER: Ben Nephew blitzed the route in 4h50m18s on June 9, 2012 (see below).
Presidential Range, Mt Pierce is absent
Wikipedia describes the Presidential Traverse as follows: "A Presidential Traverse, as it is known to hikers in the Northeast, is a strenuous and sometimes dangerous trek over the Presidential Range of New Hampshire's White Mountains. Contained almost entirely in the 750,000-acre White Mountain National Forest, the Presidential Range is a string of summits in excess of 4,000 feet. To complete the traverse, one must begin at either the northern or southern terminus of the Presidential Range and finish at the opposing end. As there are multiple definitions for the Presidential Traverse, what happens in between is a question of debate..." While many hikers have claimed that doing the traverse without tagging the summits is valid, this seems counter to the definition of a range traverse. The minimum traverse, from Madison to Pierce, is just under 20 miles, but of course the trailhead-to-trailhead distance is farther. For most hikers, the northern trailhead is near the town of Appalachia, and the southern trailhead is Crawford Notch. A good topo map is here. This page gives distances, elevation gains and "typical" hiking times.
Ryan Welts ran the Presi (including Pierce) in 5h7m44s on Sept. 5, 2009, about 4 weeks after setting the FKT on the Pemigewasset Loop. His report is here. A photo of Welts on the route is here.
Prior to Welts, the fastest time I am aware of was from an unofficial "race" of one version of the route (not really the "classic" route) on Sept. 13, 1988. Ian Torrence and Steve Smith ran the race from Dolly Copp campground to Crawford Notch in 5h25m on September 13, 1998, summitting Madison (via the Howker Ridge Trail), Adams, Jefferson, Clay, Washington, Monroe and Eisenhower (but not Webster or Pierce) along the way. The race provided no aid stations, but the runners refueled on top of Mt. Washington. Torrence felt it likely that others had done the traverse faster, but knew of no faster time.
HOWEVER: As reported below, Mike Gallagher and Ned Gillette appear to have run the Traverse in 4h46m way back in 1968, while training for the US Olympic Nordic Ski Team. This is being reported based on Gallagher's training log from the time, though we have not see it. It is not clear if the route they used is the same as what is being done presently.
« Last Edit: Jun 17, 2012, 2:46pm by Peter Bakwin »
On Saturday July 2 I ran the presi traverse starting out at Dolly Copp with Adam Wilcox. We used the same route as Jan Wellford . My time was 4:56:14, Adam finished shortly after in 5:04.
I can vouch for Ryan turning a very fast time. I ran the Traverse at the same time in a GPS verified 5:04. Ryan passed me about a mile from the start and progressively pulled farther and farther way until I lost sight of him.
On Saturday July 2 I ran the presi traverse starting out at Dolly Copp with Adam Wilcox. We used the same route as Jan Wellford . My time was 4:56:14, Adam finished shortly after in 5:04.
Re: Presidential Traverse (NH) « Reply #4 on Aug 2, 2011, 3:05pm »
I recently had a conversation with Mike Gallagher of USA Olympic Nordic Ski Team Fame. Turns out that while training for the Olympics, Mike along with Tim Caldwell and Bobby Gray made a trip to New Hampshire and actually ran the Presidential Traverse in a time of 4:46. This was in 1968 when these gentlemen were all living and training in Boulder, CO and performed most of their training through the summer by completing uphill runs.
Olympic Nordic Skiers have done this for many years, most times out East by running UP Vermonts Killington Mountain Ski Area and then taking the Gondola down just to repeat the run up.
There was no GPS tracking in 1968.. there is no way to verify these mens times other then to look at their journal notes.. of which Mike shared with me.
It should also be noted... for "some" proofs sake.. that Mr. Gallahger had also acquired the Mount Washington Auto Road record... and the Long Trail Record, during this same year.
Re: Presidential Traverse (NH) « Reply #7 on Oct 13, 2011, 12:35pm »
I think I know someone that has one of if not the fastest time for a winter Preidential Range Traverse. The true traverse from Madison to Crawford notch.touching all summits along the way.does any one have any information on this variation? Thank you
Re: Presidential Traverse (NH) « Reply #8 on Jan 9, 2012, 2:24pm »
Mike isn't as computer savvy as he'd like to be. Though I am currently working on getting a photocopy of the training log which indicates their FKT of the Presi-Traverse.
In finding their log, Gallagher clarifies that his time of 4:46 was actually with Ned Gillette... Bobby Gray nor Caldwell was there.
Charlie Kellog is a big historian of the US Cross Country Ski team and he has a copy of their training log from 1968 which tells of the Presi Traverse in a time of 4:46. Working on getting copies of this as we speak.
Re: Presidential Traverse (NH) « Reply #10 on Jan 30, 2012, 11:38am »
Those are very impressive times for going across in the summer, great job guys!!! I have gone across the ridge from Rte 2 to Crawford over all the summits (including Pierce, Jackson and Webster) in the January 2000 in 10 hours.
Re: Presidential Traverse (NH) « Reply #13 on Feb 11, 2013, 10:07am »
As proposed in the «officials» guidelines of this site, I announce publicly my intentions : If weather and snow conditions are good, I will give a try to a double Presidential traverse next weekend. I plan to leave Crawford notch in late afternoon saturday, run the traverse (no Webster-Jackson) to Madison, turn around and run back by going over every summits. Solo and unsupported. Time goal is under 18 hours.
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Re: Presidential Traverse (NH) « Reply #14 on Feb 11, 2013, 8:35pm »
denali2x -- that would be quite an accomplishment (given winter weather in the Whites, and mostly at night no less-- wow), but considering that the "official" Presi traverse goes trailhead to trailhead, wouldn't a double Presi Traverse require a turn-around at the trailhead, not on the summit of Madison?